I saw a feature3 about this. There is a shop in CA that does the conversion for $7,500. I also saw a documentary of a conversion on Discovery Turbo. The only problem I see is that you need to recharge through an outlet. Electricity uses coal and I’m not sure if you’ll be protecting the environment. It would be nice if every wheel has a small motor and the rotating wheels charge the batteries through a dynamo. That would be neat.

Japan manufactures small windmills that power their gasoline stations. Anout four of these can supply power to a modest sized house. you can even run your heater and AC 24/7 with very minimal wind.

The electric vehicle conversion subject is a very timely discussion indeed. With all the soaring prices and all other problems plaguing the ordinary consumer, we really need some options. This is of course not to say that electric vehicle conversion is for everyone. It really depends on your needs. I still have to assess whether I will subscribe to an electric vehicle conversion but it really is nice to have that recourse… if we see no end to the surging fuel prices

thats really crazy i havent heard a word about that out here either

Thanks Paul: In our local news the Gas getting problem is a featured story. But so far when I watch world news It’s all about the Financial collapse. Except last Tuesday they showed a 2 minute story from Atlanta showing the gas station lines and plastic bags over the pumps.

Good luck with the conversion process. I wish I was that adventurous - or at least that I had another car that I didn’t have to rely on to get me to and from work. Well, that and funds to do it all. I looked into the car conversion idea about a year ago and found a place in Florida that was doing conversions, but they were backlogged. I wasn’t sure I would be able to afford their prices anyway.

I am shocked to hear that you have gas stations that are out of gas. Why isn’t this in the news? I guess the financial bailout is taking all the news, but your situation seems important to me.

I have built my own generator in my 2005 chevy Impala. I do have alot of work to do with different disigns, But so far it has made a difference in mpg, smoother running, preformance, and it smells better,( not like rotten eggs) no sulfur smell. I have alot of people that tell me it doesn’t work and I tell them they are right. It makes a difference in my pocket book and to the fact, I am trying to help the cause. It matters to me that it works and that my car is better. HHO generators are not mantainance free and do require you to keep up on them ,but it does make a difference to the person who cares.

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HHO gas production also generates a hazardous by-product: hexavalent chromium — it’s in the electrolyte solution. This chemical is a known carcinogen (and not just in the state of California). It’s bad stuff!

What do do:

(1) Wear protective clothing (latex gloves, face shields) when cleaning or changing out used electrolyte solutions. Make every effort to avoid exposure to this known carcinogen.

(2) Do NOT dump used solutions on the ground.

(3) The small volumes of used solutions that the typical “experimenter” will encounter can generally be easily stored in a plastic milk jug or two. Many municipalities provide opportunities for free annual or semi-annual delivery of toxic waste materials to the landfill or recycling center. Take advantage of those opportunities to dispose of your stored waste byproducts.

Don’t just be safe for yourself, but also be a moral and environmentlally safe, responsible citizen of God’s green world.

And:

Do not, ever, under NO CIRCUMSTANCE, make ANY electrical connections that will be exposed to HHO gas that might, even remotely, have the possibility of becoming loose and causing a stray spark. That means that there will be NO connections inside the HHO generator that are held together with nuts, bolts, washers—you name it—that could eventually corrode, loosen, and become a POTENTIAL source for sparks. Make all electrical connections OUTSIDE of the gas generator.

Remember, you are dealing with corrosive electrolytes and HIGHLY FLAMABLE gas with a very rapid rate of combustion (EXPLOSIVE). Route all HHO lines away from heat sources and make sure all tubings fit securely. Do it, but BE CAREFUL.

From what I’ve seen and read, the systems do produce HHO gas (a very flamable - read - EXPLOSIVE mixture). Dangerous stuff — but controllable. Gasoline is dangerous too, and we carry around gallons of the stuff without a second thought.

HHO gas does appear to improve combustion characteristics, increase octane rating, improve engine performance, horspower, torque, throttle response, fuel mileage. There are a few people out there who are doing serious testing and publishing real numbers that appear to be promising. There is also a bunch of junk published— this is the Internet— take it for what it is.

If you’re going to install a HHO system:

(1) Be careful. You’re dealing with corrosive electrolytes, electricity (low voltage but potentially high amperage), and an EXPLOSIVE end product.

(2) Use quality materials that will hold up to the corrosive environment to which they are exposed (such as 316L stainless steel).

(3) Control electrolyte heat and electrical current flow (amperage) by adjusting the concentration of electrolyte in your solution. (VERY IMPORTANT!)

(4) Install a power modulating circuit in the HHO power supply system.

(5) Above all, be careful and stay SAFE. HHO gas production for automotive use is EXPERIMENTAL. You will be building and installing this system at your own risk. No one is going to accept responsibility for your negligence — including me as I post to this blog.

This HHO gas injection looks like viable science. Do it! Promote it!—but be SAFE.

thank you for publishing this information. I was wondering since you are from ILLINOIS i wanted to host a church auto enthusiast party where you could come and demonstrate this concept.

In all the discussions I have found, everyone talks about the hydrogen being the supplement to the gasoline. While that is true, the gas and hydrogen are the fuels, what they often forget is that oxygen from the electrolysis is also being pushed into the combustion chambers. I do not recall how much of normal air is oxygen, but 60% is nitrogen… non-combustible. With the water4gas system, additional oxygen is pumped in and making the explosions quicker, stronger, more violent (however you want to say it). Hospitals have a richer oxygen and they have to be very careful using anything that will spark. While the hydrogen tank theories may not be much benefit, the water4gas has both hydrogen and oxygen in the formula.

I have some important questions to ask. Which blog or site should I go to?

Thanks, Joe Gemignani

I have been researching and testing different methods for increasing the economy of vehicles and have found that the concept is sound and does work. One of the first hurdles to cross is with the vehicles ECM (engine computer) . These are hard coded from the factory to fight your effort to make the vehicle more efficient. The simplest way for this to be done is thru the oxygen sensors , and that can be quite a problem . I am now testing a system that seperates the oxygen from the Hydrogen and only adding the hydrogen it so far seems to be working well !! And lets not forget that the whole idea is to increase the mpg anything that is cheap helps is a plus.

Two answers: JCP wants to know how to feed gas into the engine. Split the line and T into a vacuum line as close as you can to the injector assembly and the other hose into the air intake line close to theinjector housing. At low RPMs engine vacuum is powerful and intake air is light. At higher RPMs the reverse is true. There is one school of thought that supports putting it in in the air filter so that the MAF or MAP notes it and adjusts for it. I stongly suggest putting an extension on you O2 sensor or sensors to decrease how much oxygen they detect. If they detect too much oxygen they will tell the computer to richen the mixture because it assumes the engine is too lean. This will negate a mileage improvement but will still give you the smother engine and more power. I also suggest passing the gas through a bubbler to make it safer. Any backfire will not make it to your unit and is more sure than a flash suppressor.

ED says he’s having trouble harvesting the gas. Make sure the lid it tight and glue in, with Plumber’s GOOP, a fitting to take a vacuum hose. Take this hose and run it into a bubbler, again airtight and to the bottom of the bubbler. Fill that about 2/3 full of tap water. Another fitting on the lid of the bubbler harvesting gas from the top and fed to the engine. Vacuum will pull the gas out.

The success or failure of a unit depends on three things and what works on the bench may not be practicle in the vehicle. I have 7 different configerations on my bench but only a couple are vehicle ready. Catalyst gets better gas production as you experiment but the cost is amps and heat. I only use bicarbonate of soda. No lye, borax vinegar, whistles or bells. I adjust the strength of the catalyst until I get maximun gas production at a stable heat level. You can make super units on the bench but they’ll be hot and pulling too many amps in just a few miles of driving. Too thin and not enough gas is produced to be of much use. It seems like no two vehicles react the same way either, making a one size- fits all pretty hard. I run a pint jar size unit using stainless screen then passed to a pint bubbler in my Tracker because there’s no space to do otherwise but it’s much more powerful and currently has a mileage increase of about 15%. Carborated and deisel rigs are much simpler to convert.